Comments on: Selling Bait in the Lower Peninsula: An Insight http://www.simplyoutdoors.net/2008/11/25/selling-bait-in-the-lower-peninsula-an-insight/ Thu, 09 Feb 2012 12:52:15 +0000 hourly 1 By: CDGardens http://www.simplyoutdoors.net/2008/11/25/selling-bait-in-the-lower-peninsula-an-insight/comment-page-1/#comment-4610 CDGardens Wed, 26 Nov 2008 13:01:53 +0000 http://www.simplyoutdoors.net/2008/11/25/selling-bait-in-the-lower-peninsula-an-insight/#comment-4610 I believe that the big retailers should be allowed to keep their bait inventories in their retail outlets, because of the wide census of indivuduals that live outside affected areas. Assuredly there will be those that will try to live above the rules, but as it has already been said it isn't up to the retailer to police what happens after it leaves their premises. I believe that the big retailers should be allowed to keep their bait inventories in their retail outlets, because of the wide census of indivuduals that live outside affected areas.

Assuredly there will be those that will try to live above the rules, but as it has already been said it isn’t up to the retailer to police what happens after it leaves their premises.

]]> By: Mike Adams - Hooks and Bullets http://www.simplyoutdoors.net/2008/11/25/selling-bait-in-the-lower-peninsula-an-insight/comment-page-1/#comment-4600 Mike Adams - Hooks and Bullets Wed, 26 Nov 2008 05:37:33 +0000 http://www.simplyoutdoors.net/2008/11/25/selling-bait-in-the-lower-peninsula-an-insight/#comment-4600 The problem I have with the selling of bait isn't the stores like Cabela's or Jays. It is with the gas stations that continue to truck in the carrots, beats, corn, and apples to sell in the small home towns. I know someone is going to slam me for this because of the mom and pop stores need the money. But this open selling of bulk bait in these instances everyone knows is going to the local wood lots, not to the U.P. or Ohio across the boarder. If they are not near the boarder or the U.P. DON'T sell it! The problem I have with the selling of bait isn’t the stores like Cabela’s or Jays. It is with the gas stations that continue to truck in the carrots, beats, corn, and apples to sell in the small home towns. I know someone is going to slam me for this because of the mom and pop stores need the money. But this open selling of bulk bait in these instances everyone knows is going to the local wood lots, not to the U.P. or Ohio across the boarder. If they are not near the boarder or the U.P. DON’T sell it!

]]> By: Phillip http://www.simplyoutdoors.net/2008/11/25/selling-bait-in-the-lower-peninsula-an-insight/comment-page-1/#comment-4594 Phillip Tue, 25 Nov 2008 23:42:06 +0000 http://www.simplyoutdoors.net/2008/11/25/selling-bait-in-the-lower-peninsula-an-insight/#comment-4594 Good question, Arthur! I suppose, truth be told, that if I owned a shop in a town or area where baiting was illegal, I'd probably choose not to sell bait. I absolutely agree that in most cases it indicates a willingness with a wink and a nod to the folks who are going to break the law (and I'm sure there are plenty in this issue). At the same time, if I honestly had a legitimate business from customers out of town where bait was legal, I might keep it in stock for those customers. There's no sense in me taking a financial hit, particularly in a business like sporting goods or guns and ammo where margins are always close anyway. In the end, though, it shouldn't be the responsibility of the merchants to make sure their customers use the products legally, safely, and responsibly. That would be no different than the folks who want to sue gunmakers because their products are used in crime. If I'm selling a legal product and people use it for illegal ends, I can't and won't be held responsible. Good question, Arthur!

I suppose, truth be told, that if I owned a shop in a town or area where baiting was illegal, I’d probably choose not to sell bait. I absolutely agree that in most cases it indicates a willingness with a wink and a nod to the folks who are going to break the law (and I’m sure there are plenty in this issue).

At the same time, if I honestly had a legitimate business from customers out of town where bait was legal, I might keep it in stock for those customers. There’s no sense in me taking a financial hit, particularly in a business like sporting goods or guns and ammo where margins are always close anyway.

In the end, though, it shouldn’t be the responsibility of the merchants to make sure their customers use the products legally, safely, and responsibly. That would be no different than the folks who want to sue gunmakers because their products are used in crime. If I’m selling a legal product and people use it for illegal ends, I can’t and won’t be held responsible.

]]> By: Blessed http://www.simplyoutdoors.net/2008/11/25/selling-bait-in-the-lower-peninsula-an-insight/comment-page-1/#comment-4593 Blessed Tue, 25 Nov 2008 21:54:17 +0000 http://www.simplyoutdoors.net/2008/11/25/selling-bait-in-the-lower-peninsula-an-insight/#comment-4593 I actually don't have a problem with either response. Like you say - Cabela's has a very wide customer base and I know we get people from a few hundred miles away at our local Cabela's so in my mind it makes sense for them to keep these products on the sales floor. Ultimate responsibility lies with the consumer. I can buy fertilizer and use it to fertilize my lawn or I can use it (and some other ingredients) to build a bomb... retailers cannot be responsible for what their customers do with the products they purchase. That would open up too many lawsuit possibilities! I actually don’t have a problem with either response. Like you say – Cabela’s has a very wide customer base and I know we get people from a few hundred miles away at our local Cabela’s so in my mind it makes sense for them to keep these products on the sales floor.

Ultimate responsibility lies with the consumer. I can buy fertilizer and use it to fertilize my lawn or I can use it (and some other ingredients) to build a bomb… retailers cannot be responsible for what their customers do with the products they purchase. That would open up too many lawsuit possibilities!

]]> By: Adam http://www.simplyoutdoors.net/2008/11/25/selling-bait-in-the-lower-peninsula-an-insight/comment-page-1/#comment-4588 Adam Tue, 25 Nov 2008 21:07:38 +0000 http://www.simplyoutdoors.net/2008/11/25/selling-bait-in-the-lower-peninsula-an-insight/#comment-4588 I don't have a problem with a company selling or advertising bait. As long as the law says they can do it. I think it is the responsibility of the person that buys it to abide by the laws where they are speciffically hunting. I recently went on my first hunting trip outside of my home state. I bought most of my supplies at home to take on my trip. Although we did stop once we arrived in Illinois. To buy some last minute items. I just feel like the company, if they sell bait in an area where it is illegal to bait they should be required to have a sign telling hunters to be sure and check there local laws where they will be hunting, before using it. I don’t have a problem with a company selling or advertising bait. As long as the law says they can do it. I think it is the responsibility of the person that buys it to abide by the laws where they are speciffically hunting. I recently went on my first hunting trip outside of my home state. I bought most of my supplies at home to take on my trip. Although we did stop once we arrived in Illinois. To buy some last minute items. I just feel like the company, if they sell bait in an area where it is illegal to bait they should be required to have a sign telling hunters to be sure and check there local laws where they will be hunting, before using it.

]]> By: Jon http://www.simplyoutdoors.net/2008/11/25/selling-bait-in-the-lower-peninsula-an-insight/comment-page-1/#comment-4586 Jon Tue, 25 Nov 2008 20:44:47 +0000 http://www.simplyoutdoors.net/2008/11/25/selling-bait-in-the-lower-peninsula-an-insight/#comment-4586 I think that both of the stores have a legit argument for continuing to sell these items based on their broad customer reach (e-commerce, catalog sales, etc.) as well as the local proximity to areas where the activity is legal. I believe in the old personal responsibility rule, that whomever is going to hunt has to take personal responsibility for following the rules. Whether it is seasons and bag limits or the use of electronic calls and baits, I believe we can only hold ourselves accountable for knowing what is legal and what is not. Great post! I think that both of the stores have a legit argument for continuing to sell these items based on their broad customer reach (e-commerce, catalog sales, etc.) as well as the local proximity to areas where the activity is legal. I believe in the old personal responsibility rule, that whomever is going to hunt has to take personal responsibility for following the rules. Whether it is seasons and bag limits or the use of electronic calls and baits, I believe we can only hold ourselves accountable for knowing what is legal and what is not. Great post!

]]> By: Matt http://www.simplyoutdoors.net/2008/11/25/selling-bait-in-the-lower-peninsula-an-insight/comment-page-1/#comment-4585 Matt Tue, 25 Nov 2008 18:21:32 +0000 http://www.simplyoutdoors.net/2008/11/25/selling-bait-in-the-lower-peninsula-an-insight/#comment-4585 Very interesting post. I've wanted to write one like it for a long time. Here in Virginia, it is not only illegal to hunt over bait but in fact illegal to feed deer for any reason from September 1 to January 1. These bans are common knowledge, yet Tractor Supply and other stores continue to sell all manner of deer bait and feeders. I've just never been able to get up the nerve to ask the manager why! Good reporting Arthur. Keep it up. Very interesting post. I’ve wanted to write one like it for a long time.

Here in Virginia, it is not only illegal to hunt over bait but in fact illegal to feed deer for any reason from September 1 to January 1. These bans are common knowledge, yet Tractor Supply and other stores continue to sell all manner of deer bait and feeders.

I’ve just never been able to get up the nerve to ask the manager why!

Good reporting Arthur. Keep it up.

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